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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Someone CAUSED this and let's not forget - it wasn't the police.
  Every time such behavior is excused it is encouraged.

  And she's being treated like a queen in the media. Imagine that.

  Be critical of the police, sure, but who are you going to call when the unruly and disrespectful mob come to invade your space and take your things? Ghostbusters?

  We should be critical of community policing. I hear "professional" and "professionalism" used a lot in this discussion. Law enforcement members receive training for situations they are expected to encounter, and we rightly hold armed police agents to a higher standard of behavior. The thing is that law enforcement can train for and plan for agitated crowds but agitated crowds never go according to plan. Law enforcement officers are trained in techniques and policies, but they are also instructed to seek the best end result, which is public safety. We can kick the one policeman down the street all we want, but it remains the case that in this instance public safety was maintained and no one was seriously injured. We have a good result of the policing that was performed. The result of this incident is that we have no parent and family grieving death of a beloved, something to be thankful for.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  violias, thanks for sharing that well written article.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  You specifically said,"I'll wait to hear a more comprehensive report based on multiple perspectives to the whole incident."
  Now you have that.

  No. We don't have a more comprehensive report. Read your own sources. The thing remains under investigation. We'll see what comes to light.

  Your perspective will not change.

  That's silly. My perspectives have been known to change based on evidence. Otherwise why would I post here and talk about Watchtower's silly, damning and downright dangerous doctrines and policies like I do?
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  You sound kinda sour.

  No sourness here. I have no dog in this issue except my own observations, which have not changed. I'm glad no one was injured in the incident. The officer in this instance was going to have to resign. City officials say what they need to say to keep the greater peace, which is what the said officer did outside the pool area, and he kept the peace too.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Seems like the police chief who is an actual officer agrees with me...

  I'm glad for you. Hope it makes you feel better.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The officer has since quit.

  No surprise there.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Yes. So what? Do you like the outcome of the officer acting unprofessional and damaging the relationship for all officers in the town?

  That's an assertion; not a fact.

  We must take care not to transpose social ills onto an incident that is not contributing to those ills. Someone called for police because public safety was perceived to be in jeopardy. The police are to protect public safety. Guess what? This incident ended safely for everyone, including officers who wanted to finish their shift and be alive to hug their spouses and children when they got home. Oh, guess what else? We don't have any parents sobbing because their child lost their life.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  At one point one of the kids addressed him in such a mannerable fashion and he just continues to yell.

  Yes. So what? Do you like the outcome of no one being seriously injured?

  There is more to this episode than we see on video. This officer was working to preserve order and safety. He knew there were other officers there, and they were working differently, which is typical. The particular office at issue was primarily focused on crowd control and not playing nicy-nicy. He was barking authoritatively for a reason, and his work was in concert with other officers around him.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  its a double standard.

  No. It's not when public safety is at stake.

  Keeping people safe from harm is the first priority.

  I don't care how many f-bombs a police officer drops to keep the peace if the reason and effect is to protect folks from injury. If, on the other hand, vulgar language is used purely to demean that's something else altogether. But I don't see that going on in this instance. I see an officer on duty working to disperse a crowd with some semblance of order, including his instructions issued to some to simply walk away and others to sit down. All of this is crowd control technique.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  • As he runs up and falls and gets embarrassed he then begins yelling profanities at the people he serves. It's funny the other officers were professionals. The people are only complaining about the one runt officer ego saw themed to be extra.

    I didn't see a video of a officer getting embarrassed by falling and responding with an ego. I saw a peace officer who fell while running and then got up and continued on. Then I saw him return, collect his wits, do more crowd dispersal, call in on his radio, then go back to more crowd dispersal. Then the bikini gal starts up with the mouth, which is not good for crowd dispersal. He caller her on it. She didn't leave when she was asked to go. When she was asked to stop mouthing she didn't do that either. When she was instructed to get on the ground she didn't do that either. The "runt" you're talking about was acting to disperse the crowd. For all I know he was the ranking officer on the scene, which would explain why we saw his initiative. I don't know about his rank on the scene, but I know he was dispersing that crowd and that's precisely what needed to happen.

    I find your comments about this officer needlessly demeaning. Talk about what he did if you need to. But to impute motive based on his size is stupid. You have no idea what was going on on inside this man's head, or why.